Healers - Talks to Psychologists Part II

 
Date:
December 6, 1989
Location:
Rome, Italy
 
 
 
 

Welcome. Oh! There she is. Get her in the class. GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. ShabadShabad , Shabd Sound, especially subtle sound or sound imbued with consciousness. It is a property or emanation of consciousness itself. If you meditate on shabad it awakens your awareness. ’s wife. Oh can I see her? Open the door. How are you? Feel good?

Student: (---).

YB: Feel good. You always say that so and so.

Student: (---).

Translator: I am not feeling good.

YB: Why don't you rest here and can eat something and be comfortable.

Student: (---).

Translator: (?) is waiting down so he has to come up.

YB: He can come up you stay up. So you will come in the evening?

Student: (---).

YB: Okay.

So let us start the day. Please understand. This is the moment life where you can reduce your doubt and clear your consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. for your strength. We human have developed a psychological problem. We do not trust others, we do not trust ourself. We understand there are feelings, there are emotions, and there are desires. But neither the feeling nor the desire nor the emotions can solve the life. The life can only be fulfilled if we develop the intuition and we applied the consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . Purpose of being intelligent is to apply the consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . But we use the intelligence to fulfill the desire. Through our emotions we normally reach the state of commotional self and that's the end of us. It's not that one human is suffering in the world. Suffering is a very common subject. We cause suffering because we do not apply or live consciously, let me put it that way. But these sessions are for your personal questions. So I can try to help you and give you the answers so that you can better yourself. Please feel free ask anything you want.

Student: (---).

Translator: She will like to know more about the concept of saint and soldier. She understands the saint but she wants to understand the code of a soldier. The attitude of the soldier.

YB: There is a human history as soldier has been living from day one to today she should not find difficulty to find the ethics, code of the soldier. Difficulty is not in the soldier or the saint, we all know what is a saint. We also know what is a soldier. The problem is blending them. You have to think as a saint. You have to act as a soldier. A saint is nothing but a compassion, kindness, and creature. But a soldier has to answer the call of duty at the cost of his life or her life. So this is what has to be understood. We have to think as a soldier and act as a saint it will be difficult. It's a reverse. But if you think as a saint, act as a soldier, it is positive. It's a concept we live by. Saint has to say everything is good. But a soldier has to act when good is threatened. And that is the concept of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . We are all saints. We do not want to look at anything at all.

Normally we like to avoid everything. A person who is very selfish is great saint. He only works for himself. And he can play the role of holier than (?) holier than thou, a psychology which can avoid everything. And only saintliness is what suits him. But that's not the job of a soldier. Soldier is to answer the call of duty. For a soldier there is no way out. Soldier has to serve or die. His purpose is definite. For him life means nothing if he doesn't answer the call of duty. So the concept of the saint and soldier is very real and human. This way nobody is weak.

At the time of Lord Rama the demons, the bad people started plundering the saints. And that is why God in the body of Lord Rama had to take incarnation. And Rama had to pickup the arms to fight Ravana. So for thousands of years a new concept which GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. Guru Nanak First Guru of the Sikhs. NanakGuru Nanak First Guru of the Sikhs. gave be a saint and a soldier in the blend of the self, answer the call of duty through human activity, not through philosophy. And this concept is very simple. We live in peace like as the same Christianity. If somebody hits your cheek you should turn the other cheek. But the concept of the saint and soldier is, if somebody hits your one cheek blow up his other cheek so he should not hit anybody, anymore. And that is very difficult for us.

You have to understand, religion is very corrupt. Extremely. Corrupt beyond spelling. Because a religious man, because of his emotions and insecurities has compromised with a ordinary man. That's why religion became corrupt. If a man of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. starts compromising with his own commotion life becomes miserable. There is absolutely no solution to anything. Students are always inferior and they don't want to do homework, it's a known fact. Because homework means discipline, (?) to do’s and don'ts. It's very difficult. But sometime a compromise is made. Because I tell you now what people ask me and I can understand how sick they are. How many students you have, how many centers you have. They ask me what you have. They don't ask me what I can give them. Because they don't want anything. Because what I have given them they have to consciously develop it. They are not going to work.

Our problem is not what we are, our problem is that we want to avoid the truth. Nanak said very beautiful. Knowing truth is not enough. Forget about some people even do not know what is truth. We have three types, personal, geographical and infinite. Very few people know the infinite truth. And then we know we don't practice. And when time comes to sacrifice we act different. That's the human problem. That is why Nanak came as GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. and solved that problem. He was very simple. He said, know the truth, but live the truth. And that is the concept of a saint and soldier. No compromise. When a religious man makes the compromise it's a very simple thing. He walks away from reality.

I went to St. Peter today. His sermon was God makes no distinction with everybody. God accepts everybody. I was making joke with Har Pal right sitting there. I said, “God accepts everybody. But Vatican accepts nobody.” It's true. I mean to say, we have been working with them for so many years they don't accept Sikh religion as a religion. They only accept Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and themselves.

Translator: Islam.

YB: Islam. They have to, because islam has been fighting with them from day one. There is no (?). Even now if Christianity has any fear of any religion that is islam. Islam has nothing more or less. Because Judaism gave birth to Christianity. Christianity gave birth to islam. So they know each other. And it's a question of... now in islam there are shiyas and there are sunnis. But they fight. And the catholic and the protestants fight. Oh they are all children of God and they are all followers of Christ. Muslims and Christians have fought so many centuries. And in islam Hazrath Ibrahim, Moses, Christ are considered as divine incarnation. Fight is not for religion. Fight is for territory. Once in America wherever I teach a seminar I will invite all religions in the evening to have a cup of tea with me. And we will discuss. And I will ask one question only. “What is the fear between the religion?”

They said, “Terf.”

I didn't understand what (?) territory, terf. I never understood this terf. But every talk we have is always (?). One day there was a priest who was very friendly to me. When I wished good to everybody after tea, I asked him to stay. We satSat Existence; what is; the subtle essence of Infinity itself. down and I asked him. I said, “Look I have been spending all this money because we have to rent a room, we have to make the arrangements, and we serve everybody just to say hello.” And I asked only question, they give me (?). “What spiritual man has to do with a terf?”

He said, “You are too innocent you don't understand. Our religion is not a religion like yours. We are shepherds. We have to keep sheep under control.” He said, “You know our staff is that we can put around the neck of the sheep and bring it together.” He said, “To be very honest we are very afraid of you. You invite us. What for?”

I said, “Well, I am very lonely like God, I want also my creation (?). You are my peer group. Is it wrong to have a cup of tea together? And say hello to each other?”

They said, “No, we are very afraid of you. Why you are giving us a cup of tea? What for? To be honest we are afraid. Nobody does this. Why you do it?”

I said, “To hear the word terf.” What I can say. But for three days I never came out of the room. I went into my solidarity. Within myself. I said if a man of God has fear, who will save the common man. If a man of God has terf who will teach infinity? If a man of God cannot sacrifice who will serve? What's going on? And that is what it is.

Our territory is our problem. We don't believe that we are part of infinity. We live... you know, our life is like that. We have a beautiful fence. And a wonderful home. But no window, no door. And we are afraid. Anybody will come in and take away our things. Nobody will. But we don't believe it. When we are on the planet earth we do not satisfy our consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . We satisfy our emotions. That's the human tragedy.

That is why I started teaching KundaliniKundalini Comes from the word "kundal"; coiled energy; the creative potential of an individual. Kundalini Yoga It is a Raaj Yoga that creates vitality in the body, balance in the mind, and openness to the spirit. It is used by the householder, busy in the world, to create immediate clarity. The fourth Guru in the Sikh tradition, Guru Ram Das, was acknowledged as the greatest Raaj Yogi. (See Raaj Yogi.) He opened this long secret tradition to all. YogaKundalini Yoga It is a Raaj Yoga that creates vitality in the body, balance in the mind, and openness to the spirit. It is used by the householder, busy in the world, to create immediate clarity. The fourth Guru in the Sikh tradition, Guru Ram Das, was acknowledged as the greatest Raaj Yogi. (See Raaj Yogi.) He opened this long secret tradition to all. . So that the consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. can be strong enough. Man can stick to reality. No grit, no glory. We have to build guts. We need our internal strength. We have to have our individual consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . That's the only way we can be happy and fulfilled. We have to be full fledged. As much time we spend to build our security on the planet earth, if that much time we spend on self security world will touch our feet. That's the law which Nanak taught. That is what we have to follow. And that is a human concept. No judgement, no guilt at all, no sin, no repentance, consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. , consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. , consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. .

Student: (---).

Translator: After seventy hours my state of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. changes and I repeat the same mistake I did before.

YB: Possible. But if you get up at three thirty, three o’clock, have a cold shower and Roman cold water is so beautiful. It's so cold. When it touch your skin you really say from the heart Wahe Wahe Guru , Whaa-hay Guroo A mantra of ecstasy and dwelling in God. It is the Infinite teacher of the soul. Also called the gur mantra. GuruWahe Guru , Whaa-hay Guroo A mantra of ecstasy and dwelling in God. It is the Infinite teacher of the soul. Also called the gur mantra. Guru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. . And in five minutes when you are just like cold as it can be and you will massage your body really hard and go back again and then do it again and again three four times then the Roman water looks warm. Then you experience you are alive. Mistake will never happen. It is a experience you feel alive. Then you sit down and meditate, what is a meditationMeditation Dhyan. It is a process of deep concentration or merger into an object or a state of consciousness. Meditation releases reactions and unconscious habits and build the spontaneous and intuitive link to awareness itself. ? MeditationMeditation Dhyan. It is a process of deep concentration or merger into an object or a state of consciousness. Meditation releases reactions and unconscious habits and build the spontaneous and intuitive link to awareness itself. is just calming yourself. And the entire garbage, dirtiness, ugliness, will start floating in the brain. And you start cutting it down by saying Wahe Wahe Guru , Whaa-hay Guroo A mantra of ecstasy and dwelling in God. It is the Infinite teacher of the soul. Also called the gur mantra. GuruWahe Guru , Whaa-hay Guroo A mantra of ecstasy and dwelling in God. It is the Infinite teacher of the soul. Also called the gur mantra. Guru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. , Wahe Wahe Guru , Whaa-hay Guroo A mantra of ecstasy and dwelling in God. It is the Infinite teacher of the soul. Also called the gur mantra. GuruWahe Guru , Whaa-hay Guroo A mantra of ecstasy and dwelling in God. It is the Infinite teacher of the soul. Also called the gur mantra. Guru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. , what is saying Wahe Wahe Guru , Whaa-hay Guroo A mantra of ecstasy and dwelling in God. It is the Infinite teacher of the soul. Also called the gur mantra. GuruWahe Guru , Whaa-hay Guroo A mantra of ecstasy and dwelling in God. It is the Infinite teacher of the soul. Also called the gur mantra. Guru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. is pass on to God, belong to you.... whatever that negativity is if you say negative, negative (?). And you put the mantraMantra Sounds or words that tune or control the mind. Man means mind. Tra-ng is the wave or movement of the mind. Mantra is a wave, a repetition of sound and rhythm that directs or controls the mind. When you recite a mantra you have impact through the meridian points in the mouth, through its meaning, through its pattern of energy, through its rhythm, and through its naad - energetic shape in time. Recited correctly a mantra will activate areas of the nervous system and brain and allow you to shift your state and the perceptual vision or energetic ability associated with it. down, up. So it goes through it makes positive. And finally at one moment there is no thought. You are beautiful for the day.

People think by being negative and by inquisitive, by emotional, by commotional they protect themselves. Actually they destroy themselves. Aristotle said, ‘Man is a social animal.’ Without friendship we cannot live. But when you put so many fences between you and other people, you are nobody. It's very painful. So three o'clock in the morning. You can experience in forty days and it does work.

My understanding is there are three words in world only to know. SadhanaSadhana , Saadhana A spiritual discipline; the early morning practice of yoga, meditation, and other spiritual exercises. The Aquarian Sadhana can be an individual or group practice; Ideally, it includes the recitation of Japji Sahib, a Kundalini Yoga kriya, and chanting the Aquarian Sadhana meditations, immediately followed by Gurdwara. According to Yogi Bhajan, the potency of any Kundalini Yoga and meditation practice will be enhanced in a group setting. , Aradhana, result is Prabhupathi. SadhanaSadhana , Saadhana A spiritual discipline; the early morning practice of yoga, meditation, and other spiritual exercises. The Aquarian Sadhana can be an individual or group practice; Ideally, it includes the recitation of Japji Sahib, a Kundalini Yoga kriya, and chanting the Aquarian Sadhana meditations, immediately followed by Gurdwara. According to Yogi Bhajan, the potency of any Kundalini Yoga and meditation practice will be enhanced in a group setting. means doing the SadhanaSadhana , Saadhana A spiritual discipline; the early morning practice of yoga, meditation, and other spiritual exercises. The Aquarian Sadhana can be an individual or group practice; Ideally, it includes the recitation of Japji Sahib, a Kundalini Yoga kriya, and chanting the Aquarian Sadhana meditations, immediately followed by Gurdwara. According to Yogi Bhajan, the potency of any Kundalini Yoga and meditation practice will be enhanced in a group setting. . Aradhana means completely doing it. And the result is you will become the husband of God. That's the literal meaning. Love shall control the infinity. If you read every scripture in the world, listen to all holy men you will come to conclude to one thing. You have to have SadhanaSadhana , Saadhana A spiritual discipline; the early morning practice of yoga, meditation, and other spiritual exercises. The Aquarian Sadhana can be an individual or group practice; Ideally, it includes the recitation of Japji Sahib, a Kundalini Yoga kriya, and chanting the Aquarian Sadhana meditations, immediately followed by Gurdwara. According to Yogi Bhajan, the potency of any Kundalini Yoga and meditation practice will be enhanced in a group setting. , and you have to do the SadhanaSadhana , Saadhana A spiritual discipline; the early morning practice of yoga, meditation, and other spiritual exercises. The Aquarian Sadhana can be an individual or group practice; Ideally, it includes the recitation of Japji Sahib, a Kundalini Yoga kriya, and chanting the Aquarian Sadhana meditations, immediately followed by Gurdwara. According to Yogi Bhajan, the potency of any Kundalini Yoga and meditation practice will be enhanced in a group setting. and you shall master infinity. That's the fact. Have no doubt about it. And we have to do in the ambrosial hour. We have to prepare ourself for the day. Face the day with the brightest face like sun. Keep the mind cool like moon. Touch people like beautiful breeze. And let the fragrance of all flowers charm them. And let them feel most comfortable in your company.

Smile and sell your smile. That's the way to friendship. Speak very sweet. That lives large in everybody’s memory. Be honorable. That will honor you when you honor others. Live like a noble you shall be respected. On the earth and in heavens. These are the simple rules of being (?). Just remember like a candle in a dark room, the darkness leaves so should be your presence. Even you face enemy face to face. Your enemy should recognize your grace. Man without grace and woman without strength are not human. Woman must have a strength of character. And man must have a strength of his grace. Minus those two you are just a legged animal. And that's the truth.

Student: (---).

Translator: (?) and these sheep spread out and each group creates their own fence. (?) or maybe they think that they will meet together. In this relation (?) sheep spread out. (?) that each group stay in its own fence. (?) to put this sheep together again.

YB: Oh sheep which stray it becomes the feast of the wolves. That's why they stay together and make the fence. But if they interact it can be all thieves. The fences have to break. Fences can't protect. If you put all the fences and wolf walk, cross the fence and be in you, the wolf can kill more than otherwise. The problem today is world has become too small and man is too big to live in it. You watch that little twenty four inch television. You get every news. It affects you. Now you are Mr. Planet. Mr. Cosmos. You are not a person anymore. Therefore we have to expand our consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. .

Student: (---).

Translator: So those fences should be broken up?

YB: That's what we are doing right now. Because in the past religion was a regional thing. It does not recognize the other religion. Do you know Christianity doesn't understand the pictorial religion of Hindus? They call them (?). And you know what a Hindu feels (?)? Lunatic. I have seen their religious discussion. Because Hindu religion is very pictorial. It brings God into a picture. They are so powerful in pictorialism, that it is impossible to disbelieve it. And we in Christianity say we are born in the image of God. But when we start we are born in sin. How can you believe it that God created everything and Adam ate one apple and we are still suffering? What is the problem, we eat apple everyday. How much suffering is that. We say apple a day keeps the doctor away. Then what is the wrong in snake said eat apple? What's wrong with Eve had a intercourse with him? Ask God why He made those testicles. Nobody wants to question these things. If you start questioning all this, you blow up the whole thing. Did I ask God to give me two testicles and penis hanging? I don't know why He did it. That is why Nanak walked out of this nonsense and made the religion, religion of a householder. And that's why this conversation with yogisYogi One who has attained a state of yoga (union) where polarities are mastered and transcended. One who practices the disciplines of yoga and has attained self-mastery. , with (?), with (?), with great punditsPundit A Hindu who is learned in scripture. , he said what are you talking about. You talk so big and then you get collections from these householders, whom you put them under.

Nanak Akhey Pagana, Teri Ma Kucheji Jayi, Kayi Nindiya Kinte KarmaKarma The law of cause and effect applied to mental, moral, and physical actions. Ego attaches us to and identifies us with objects, feelings, and thoughts. These attachments create a bias toward certain lines of action. Instead of acting you begin reacting. Karmas are the conditions required in order to balance or complete these tendencies. Though necessary, karma is not dictatorial or fatalistic. It is the mechanism that allows the finite experience of existence to maintain and stabilize itself. We all have free will and can take actions to re-direct the momentum of a karma. We can transform it or neutralize it using meditation, jappa, good deeds, or intuition that remove your sense of ego and the identification with that past line of action. Birijey,’

He said oh great (?) jogi, he was a great man. He was talking so big God, God, God and he said he was stupid (?) mother was stupid, you are not stupid, your mother was stupid. What are you talking about God, God, God so much? You go and get charity from the house of these people who you put them down?

You know what I mean? I mean to say, look at us; we are householders. We are born in guilt because we ate that damn apple and we are ejected out of the garden of Eden. Right? And all these men of God get collection from us and tell us we are guilty. For what? Government take taxes, politician live off us, police live off us, religion live off us, army live off us, everybody live off us and we live for nothing. And all tell us, religion men tell us we are making you real. Army says we are protecting you. Government says we are governing you. We say what are we doing. And this problem is real. We support the Italian government, because we are Italian. And once they get elected they become bosses, we become their slaves. That is why today in the modern world press has a great power. Because it exposes everybody. Now they have gone so mad they expose everybody. Whether it's true or not. They blackmail, press blackmail.

I went to India once there was a very negative press, it's called bull eye. It was kind of sexy press and that kind of stuff. Pornographic. They told me I should give them a hundred thousand dollars, otherwise they will print a story on me.

I said, “Publicity, every publicity is a good publicity, go ahead. Have fun.” Look at the guts. I should pay them hundred thousand dollars not to be pornographic. I said, “I won't pay you anything even for a photograph what are you talking of pornograph, doesn't matter, get out of here.” So who... that's what (?) power corrupts and absolute power corrupt absolutely. Press doesn't pay you are corrupt. They say you are alleged to be corrupt. Alleged to be this, alleged to be that. Jesus Christ was alleged to take, save the prostitutes from dying under a stone death. Alleged. They don't say you are convicted or (?) alleged. It means you are, there is a suspect, suspected of that. There is a mail and there is a blackmail.

Have you seen two people getting a divorce? Whatever they said in love when they get divorced they totally turn it around. Turn it around. There is a very popular divorce going on in America now. She is saying he kissed me so hard, that his jaw has permanently gone out. Can you believe it? And there are lot of ladies who say divorce is (?) we’ll marry you if you have that quality. This is what is called exploitation.

Fight is between the haves and have-nots. From the have’s have-nots doesn't learn how to have. They use negative method to draw the attention. Every human being wants to be important. Instead of being developing their consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. they develop negative attack methodology. And this is the common cause of human trouble. But now man is recognizing this won't work. That's why change is happening so fast. But we have to develop our strength, our consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. , our grit and understand what we want for ourself, we must give others first.

Actually there is a one line which can decide everything. Giving is God. That's what God is. In the words of Nanak,

“Deinda Dey Leindey Thak Paah, Juga Jugathar Kayika, Hukumi Hukum Chalaye Raah, Nanak Veksey Veparva.”

The giver gives and gives for time infinite to time infinite, we who take, take, take, get tired of taking it and die while taking it. The one who is in command commands and His command is infinite. And Nanak, he is carefree and graciously infinite. Correct? Just learn one thing. Ask yourself does my nobility allow it. Will it maintain my grace. Can I be me. You will not do any wrong. These are the touchstones of everybody. Nobility, grace and self. Yeah.

Student: (---).

Translator: He said that priest teach us that we are born in sin and that (?) they come to us for money, get money, but I will like to add that they say also Christians that Jesus Christ came to save us from sin and to free ourselves from sin.

YB: Yeah what he did everybody should do it. Jesus Christ never said you are born in sin. You read the entire bible you (?) one line on his name, he might have said, you are born in sin. And he never asked for money either. He fed people, he helped people and he healed people. So follow the master. They don't. GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. Guru Nanak First Guru of the Sikhs. NanakGuru Nanak First Guru of the Sikhs. said, see the spirit in God, in all.

“Aval allah noor upaa-i-aa kudrat ke sabh bandey, Ek noor te sabh jag oopaji-aa kon bhale kaun mandey.”

There is but one light out of that light the entire humanity is created. Who you can judge is good and bad when we are part of the same light.

Then what we do? This is this, this is that, that is that, (?) we judge all the day. We don't judge it for judgement sake. We judge it for exploitation. Judge and kill. That is the policy. If our policy becomes judge and elevate then we are saints. And when we judge and exploit then we are Satan.

Student: (---).

Translator: Does that mean practically that we have to do same things of Jesus Christ?

YB: Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ did what Jesus Christ did. What they did to him? They put him on a cross, they never recognized him in his lifetime he is Jesus Christ. It was only one line in his life which made him Christ. When they nailed him on the cross they asked him, “You walked on water, you call yourself you are son of God. Now fly and go away.”

And he said, “They do not know what they are doing, forgive them my father.”

That forgiveness made him Christ. When in Christ is you are compassionate and forgiving kind and compassion is the way of God. In adversity if you smile with reality that is divinity.

Student: (---).

Translator: Is it possible that (?) only one that is flowing through (?) call Jesus, we call GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. Guru Ram Das Fourth Guru of the Sikhs. Ram DasGuru Ram Das Fourth Guru of the Sikhs. ....

YB: No energy is not only flowing through teachers, energy is flowing through you too. Energy is only one. And that is pranic energy. When it is within itself it is God. When it is expanding it is creation. It's the same thing. We should never differentiate between God in us. Jesus Christ was nothing more than a helper. Lord Ram was nothing but a helper. Krishna was nothing but a helper. GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. Guru Nanak First Guru of the Sikhs. NanakGuru Nanak First Guru of the Sikhs. was nothing but a helper. And you are nothing but a helper.

Student: (---).

Translator: So why we have still so much, so big need of the structure of religion, couldn't we relate straight to the energy?

YB: Yeah why have wires to bring electricity? Religion is not corrupt. Religion is one thing. Love life and love every life. That's the religion. It's a science of life and art of living. We use it to corrupt it. That's why they throw stones on Nanak. Because he spoke the infinite truth.

Side B

…. He spread his legs towards Mecca. They it is sacrilegious.

He said, “All right remove my legs where God is not.” They got confused.

It takes sometime lot of pain to teach people what they believe commotionally. Not emotionally. Emotionally a person can be treated all right. Difficulty is to deal with people commotion. That's the difficulty.

Student: (---).

Translator: From the day you came I stopped going to school and I feel a strong feeling of unreality and I can't bring the intensity I should hear outside (?)

YB: You should go to school, educate, if you follow me, I have done my Ph.D. in psychology. Because when you sit among (?) doctors, you sit there as a doctor. Education is a essential part to communicate. And also educate to build your spirit.

Student: (---).

Translator: But the outside world it seems to me unreal.

YB: No it's cruel. But you must know the cruel world. You must know the hell to know the heaven. You must know the depth to know the height. You must know corruption to know honesty. You must know pornographic to know (?) whatever that is. Every coin has two sides to it. And you must know both sides of the coin. Induce, deduce, investigate, decide and uplift. That's the rule. If you do not know the outside world, the cruel world, they will get you. You got to know it.

Student: (---).

Translator: There is a way not to block myself before this?

YB: Blocking and not blocking is your problem. If you don't want to block don't block it. There is no need to block anything. Life is very simple. Know everything and then know nothing because God is everything. The only simple thing in life is to get rid of ego and just relate to your Id as identity. That solves every problem. Simple thing is if you are mentally clear, things will come to you. Otherwise if you are mentally opaque you have to run for everything. And we don't have time for that. That's why we die unfulfilled. Learn, become learned and lead. You shall become learned leader. That's the great service.

Yeah.

Student: (---).

Translator: How is it possible to transform a destructive energy into creative energy?

YB: You want to know simple reason? Drop the negativity. All left will be positive. You want to know the complicated reason? Go for psychotherapy.

Student: (---).

Translator: To follow the easy way, simple way, how to let the negativity go?

YB: Just drop it. Watch. Pick it up and then drop it. Just like that.

Student: (----).

YB: That's not true. Nothing sticks. The only thing which stick you is your own insecurity. Nothing sticks in life. Life changes anyway. Earth moves anyway. The entire.. while sitting here at a still situation we move three hundred and eighty miles per hour. Earth is moving, the orbit movement, the nebula moves, the cosmos moves, we put it all together. It comes to three hundred and eighty miles an hour. When we are totally standstill.

There is only two things in life–Security and insecurity. I was very young, I remember when I was learning, I was asked to spell insecurity. I spelt it, I N N___SECURITY. Insecurity is our own inn. We want to dwell it to play the game of apathy and sympathy. And nobody loves anybody. That's not true. We play the game of apathy, sympathy. It is called game of attention. Nobody plays the game of love. It's all lie. You lie morning till night, I love you, I love you, it's absolutely rotten. Everybody knows it. Every relationship is based on this lie. It's all emotional nonsense. Everybody knows it, everybody plays it. Love is a strength, love is not a weakness.

Love, where there is love there is no question, where there is question there is no love. Now how many people are here who won’t question? Love is such a power that it brought God into a human form and it's a human history. So how can we say we love and then question? We play the game. Because we want attention. Love is a attention itself. We can't play that ultimate game. But we play small games. In a small game there are small problems. I think hundred and thousand people call me I love you, I love you, I love you. From morning till night I hear it. I said thank you, thank you, thank you. What I am saying thank you God I heard it that's enough. But I know nobody loves me. My God loves me and GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. bless me. I know it's a reality. Had that not been with me they would have eaten me alive in United States. But the problem is you tell me I love you, or you tell me I hate you. Both way I will say thank you. It's the same side of the coin. All I care is you said something. That’s all.

Student: (---).

Translator: When (?) student loves the teacher and after death he (?) hate the teacher. What does that means (?).

YB: He has not loved the teacher, he just took a, took a shelter, took a support. It's a support, it's a game. Love is one thing which never changes. Which is as infinite as God is.

Student: (---).

Translator: His hate (?) could be only a short period in the (?). And after death this goes away.

YB: What are you talking about? Hate never goes away. Hate is opposite of love. When you love hate is there. Whosoever love shall hate at the same time. Nobody loves anybody. They just pay attention. You don't (?) attention, you pay attention to me, that you call it love. Not true.

Student: (---).

Translator: What is hatred?

YB: Hatred is nothing, when you cannot continue with love you are hatred. When you want something out of love is hatred. When you love you need nothing. Love is complete in itself. I love you, I brought you flowers, you kiss me because I brought you flowers is love (?) nonsense is that, a business.

Student: (---).

Translator: Hatred is a part of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. ... hatred can be part of state of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. of a student, it's a part of the relationship with (?).

YB: Hatred is a part of consciously denying the love. I know if you can ask me any question I am expert on it. Go ahead. I know love is the last thing. Lot of people (?) love you. (?). Then they say I hate you. I say, wow, thank you.

Student: (---).

Translator: It's a natural process that it goes through a (?).

YB: It's a stupidity. What process? We are humans. Darkness is not our way of life. In emotional, commotional, neurotic, psychotic, you know what I mean that everybody knows. But in consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. there is no emotion, commotion, (?). Consciously you are conscious, you are conscious in the beginning, you are conscious now, you are perfectly conscious in the end. “Aad puran, madh puran, anth puran parameshwara.” “Aad puran, madh puran, anth puran parameshwara.”

In the beginning you are perfect, in the middle you are perfect, in the end you are perfect God means love. Read the words of Nanak you will find perfect answer.

Student: (---).

YB: Translate, translate, translate...

Translator: So if you have (?) experience that to know good...

YB: No, no, na, na, na, na, you experience nothing. You experience infinity. Bad and good is just to know. You don't experience good and bad. It's very unhealthy. Sometime you will get so happy you laugh and you get a heart attack. Sometime you are so depressed you get a heart attack. Heart attack is a heart attack. Stay calm. When you are happy stay calm. When you are unhappy stay calm.

The last Mogul emperor was emperor Zafar. He said a very beautiful couplet, he was the poet. He said,

“Zafar us insaan ko kya kahiye, jisey aish mein yadein khuda na rahi, jisey taish mein khaufe khuda na raha.”

Zafar, what to say of that human who in happiness does not remember God, and who is in anger who is in anger is not afraid of God.

You know how many during the day I hear I love you and how many times during the day I hear I hate you? Doesn't matter it’s the same thing. It is matter of head, head and a tail. When student is on a tail he hates you. When he hates he loves you. But he is one student. Sunshine, you hate or you love him, it shines. Love and hatred is a condition. ConsciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. is experience.

There are three ways of life. Life is life. You can live (?) feelings, emotions, love and hatred and attention and all that stuff. Or you can live with a intelligence, consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. and experience it. Your choice. Go to the east you will come to Rome, go to the west you will come to Rome. All roads leads to Rome. No difference. You want to take a long route, take a long route. You want to take a short route, take a short route. If you are loved there is no question, if there is question there is no love. Simple. (?). Love is no business, business is no love. You want to know the story of love? Listen to this.

There was a man, he was Agha Khani. You know the Agha Khani? Those who worship Agha Khan as their prophet. And you know Agha Khan has horses and rich man and palaces and all that stuff. He had a friend who was a Sunni muslim. Who believed only in Mohammed the last prophet. He said to Aagha khani, “Why you follow Aagha Khan?”

He said, “He is a noorey khuda. He is a light of God.”

He said, “Nonsense. He is a corrupt, he is a womanizer, he drinks wine, he is a terrible man.”

He said, “How you know?”

He said, “I know I can prove it to you.”

He said, “Okay. Prove it to me.”

Sunni was very happy. So he made the arrangement by camera, by a place somewhere in the wall where he can see and nobody can see. And he bribed people and he got it there. So they were sitting in there and watching. And they saw Agha Khan coming. So Agha Khan came and a lady servant brought the wine. He said, “Hey look, look. Look at that woman, she is bringing that wine see, see, see.”

He said, “Wait, wait, wait. Just look at him don't bother me.”

So wine came, Aagha khan sipped it and (?) said take it away.

He said, “You see he sipped the wine?”

He said, “He purified it.”

He said, “What do you mean he purified it?”

He said, “Don't you understand wine is a bad thing? By sipping it he purified it.”

He said, “No, no, no, he drank it.”

He said, “You are an idiot, you don't understand, he is a man of God, he is a (?) purified it.”

They both start fighting. And Aagha khan he pulled him up and threw him right out of the window. He said, “You don't understand you don't have a consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . There is nothing good or bad in the world. Thinking make it so.”

Other question. If the Hindu eats beef he goes to hell. If a muslim eats pork he goes to hell. And Christian eats both he thinks he is going to heaven. What you can do? This is all geographical truths. Love is beyond geography. Therefore it is beyond truth. And not to ask a question you require grit. To ask question you require courage. Choose what you want. But if you ask question you will get the answer. But if you don't ask the question you will experience the answer. Get to what you want. I always speak the truth, that's the trouble.

I never speak individual, personal, total, social, political, geographical truth. There is one God, one consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. and one experience. Therefore there is one truth. Why to color it? But people love color truth. That's why I wear white. It's a color of seven colors. Like it? See what I have done to you. Now you look a man. When I met you look like a baby. So I asked you start looking like a man. So you said I am doing (?). I said act as a God messenger it's the best acting. Reagan was a actor. He got the acting as a president. He did such a good acting you can't believe it. He became our president we have hundred fifty or two hundred billion dollars deficit. When he left us (?) trillion dollars deficit. We pay three hundred million dollars per hour interest. Such a great actor. He did everything wrong, nobody had the guts to say one word. Even the opposition. He got the best role in the world. But he taught people to love their country. Americans were going astray. He taught them to love their country. Nobody cared. That's what I say when you are in love, you have no question. When you are questioning you are not in love. Does it answer your question now satisfactorily? Go ahead. He had a question right now at his lips.

You know why I don't mind questions? I questioned my teacher to the extent that finally I learnt there is no need of questioning. There is a need for experience. And when he put me on the tree for three days I learnt never to ask questions again. That was very hard way of learning. Just imagine you have pant and double breast suit and (?) and perfect shoes and everything A one and you are on the top of the tree and he says when I come back you come down and he comes back after three days. I had a great experience how to sleep on a tree and live off the leaves. And take the dew water in the morning and survive. That's why you are supposed to be very intuitive that you can compute everything all right. Love is God. Love is ultimate.

You have any questions?

Student: (---).

YB: No it is not a situation. I don't put you in any situation which I have not gone through. I have gone through this situation of questioning, doubting, asking and negative and all that. So stupid waste of human life. Human life is such a beautiful gift, somebody give you the most precious gift. And you play like a football, it's totally ridiculous. It's true what I am saying to you. It's not I don't have problems which others have. I have my problem, their problem and our problem. But I always know where there is a problem there is a solution already. When anybody say I love you, I say thank you. We will see. Because time will take it away if love is not true. Period. Why should I bother?

They say student has gone negative. I don't think that’s negative. I think (?) love at their frequency and they couldn't reach the infinity. They lost the momentum. Big deal. That day I asked GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. Dev Singh, that healer. I said, “Why you tie turban?” He knows the scientific answer for it.

He said, “Master you said it.”

That's it. And you know why he became healer? One day I told him, I said, “Why don't you start healing?”

He said, “Thank you.”

Because totality has one law only. Obey, serve, love, excel. These are the four steps of ecstasy. Obey, serve, love, excel. And the opposite of that is question, become commotional, play the trauma, and be depressed. Trauma, not drama. And be depressed. Make your choice. These are simple rules. Simrat, what do you mean by Simrat. Competent. Almighty competent. Not incompetent. Almighty potent, not impotent. It is double positive. (?). I just want you to know. Time they said has betrayed us. Time has betrayed us, spirit is alive, you are sleepy, and I have to become dozy. So we will meet again. Thank you very much for loving and listening. Mucho gracias.

The class sings: (May the long time sun shine upon you.....)

Wonderful lord, give us the understanding to stand under thy will. Give us the power to resurrect to the infinity of the day, give us the peace of mind and tranquility so we can share and serve others. In thy name we pray for our peace and happiness of all mankind. May thy love prevail through us and we can be bountiful, beautiful and bright. To serve thy kingdom. Love you, love you forever. SatSat Existence; what is; the subtle essence of Infinity itself. Sat Naam , Sat Nam The essence or seed embodied in form; the identity of truth. When used as a greeting it means "I greet and salute that reality and truth which is your soul." It is called the Bij Mantra - the seed for all that comes. Sat Naam , Sat Nam The essence or seed embodied in form; the identity of truth. When used as a greeting it means "I greet and salute that reality and truth which is your soul." It is called the Bij Mantra - the seed for all that comes. NamSat Naam , Sat Nam The essence or seed embodied in form; the identity of truth. When used as a greeting it means "I greet and salute that reality and truth which is your soul." It is called the Bij Mantra - the seed for all that comes. Naam , Nam The manifested identity of the essence. The word derives from Naa-ay-ma , which means "that which is not, now is born." A Naam gives identity, form, and expression to that which was only essence or subtle before. It is also referred to as the Word. .

Those of you who live in Rome must understand, if Michealangelo would not have listened to the pope and not gone through the tragedy and torture he would not have become remembered as he is remembered today. His power was not as a artist. His power was in his obedience. That's the fact of history which lives here. No great man has become great without experiencing the art of obedience. It is the last horizon of human consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . A conscious human can obey it all. That's it. Thank you.

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