YB: Sit, sit.

Interviewer: First question that we want to ask is on (?) Parliament of World Religions and your involvement of the Sikh Sikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. DharmaSikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. Dharma A path of righteous living. It is both an ideal of virtue and a path of action that is infused with clear awareness and comprised of actions that are the soul in total synchrony with the universe. It is action without reaction or karma. with the Parliament of World religions (?).

YB: Well, this is an avenue, a new wave of religion and people who are not very uptight with religion are joining, it's a kind of a common platform for growth and the idea is that barring all the politics and tension and everything, there is a possibility it can do a collective job for the betterment of the people.

Interviewer: Where is the Sikh Sikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. DharmaSikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. Dharma A path of righteous living. It is both an ideal of virtue and a path of action that is infused with clear awareness and comprised of actions that are the soul in total synchrony with the universe. It is action without reaction or karma. (?) 1993 (?).

YB: Yeah, we have the western hemisphere. We are all Americans, Canadians, Norwegians, Germans.

Interviewer: And how did you come together with it?

YB: Just come with it, I came in Canada to United States and started talking to people and it all happened.

Interviewer: (?) 1993 Parliament of World Religions, what came out of that for the Sikh Sikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. DharmaSikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. Dharma A path of righteous living. It is both an ideal of virtue and a path of action that is infused with clear awareness and comprised of actions that are the soul in total synchrony with the universe. It is action without reaction or karma. (?).

YB: The Sikh Sikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. DharmaSikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. Dharma A path of righteous living. It is both an ideal of virtue and a path of action that is infused with clear awareness and comprised of actions that are the soul in total synchrony with the universe. It is action without reaction or karma. , nothing comes out for Sikh Sikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. DharmaSikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. Dharma A path of righteous living. It is both an ideal of virtue and a path of action that is infused with clear awareness and comprised of actions that are the soul in total synchrony with the universe. It is action without reaction or karma. anywhere. Sikh Sikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. DharmaSikh Dharma A living experience of values as taught in the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. Dharma A path of righteous living. It is both an ideal of virtue and a path of action that is infused with clear awareness and comprised of actions that are the soul in total synchrony with the universe. It is action without reaction or karma. is the most progressive thing, which is going on. What is happening is this Age of Aquarius. Now information age is there, in information age, so everybody has the knowledge, everybody has the information and everybody can grow. There is no problem with people. But what people are going to have problem, they are going to ask religion, religious people, and religious sect 'give me the experience.' I don't want to know the philosophy where God is, I want to know there God is and then where is God (?). That's what people are asking and whichever science and methodology can prove it that's what is going to (?). That's it's all about.

Interviewer: Do you (?) new millennium (?) technology (?) creativity (?) can you tell us a little bit about that?

YB: Well, in 1991 the earth's axle has changed and earth is moving slow and technically speaking in another fourteen years it will change to one degree, that means the dialogue between man and man's planetary power, which is called Prakirti, will be complete. So when that is complete, people will have knowledge but emptiness. You know. You have library at your disposal but you don't know what to do. What to do is going to be the problem and if people are mentally prepared and physically tuned into and geared to face that boredom is called white depression. White depression! It will be as cold as North Pole is and when there is no hope and there is a white depression, people are going to start suffering and all we are preparing right now is being prepared, they can come somewhere else we can take care of them.

Interviewer: Sir, can you quickly (?) speak about what your (?) creativity crisis what is your proposal (?).

YB: Let us say in South Africa, this morning I could have solved the whole problem in fifty-five seconds. And they could have got millions of dollars; they could have set on the way. There was no flexibility to give fifty-five seconds. You know what my proposal was? When you had the first President, Mandela, he came to America, we collected money to help him, right? I met him with Jessie Jackson. This country is an ancient country, all blacks belong to this and this is our ancient home. So my idea was that if they can recommend to Jessie Jackson for help and help can be collected from all the black communities (?) they are twenty percent of United States and Jewish Rabbi here can reach the Jewish community, they can get couple millions dollars grant etcetera, etcetera. So on private basis, AZT whatever you want to call that medicine, would have been brought here as a help. As South Africa, we can go to the President as an appeal. He can grant out of the civil funds help. We can go to the gay community or the people who are working with this AIDS, they can enforce America to come and bring help. We have to do. My only problem is we have to do. What we do that matters. What we don't that doesn't matter.

Interviewer: There were other (?).

YB: No, no, they are doing. They are doing but question is they can stimulate and do it right now. But they should feel free to reach out the world. That's what parliament can do. It can reach all religions, appeal all religion and get the resources from the rich areas for the poor. That's my feeling.

Interviewer: So do you think it's a financial thing more than a spiritual thing (?) distribution of (?).

YB: Your spiritual thing is your personal, if you do not have a spiritual experience, you can put as many billboards you want, and put gowns and put all rituals and all that, it's just another Barbie doll. No big deal.

Interviewer: Let me get very quickly onto the Sikh programs in South Africa. You can sketch (?) what you are doing in South Africa, (?).

YB: I have come here to just see what is going on, this is my first visit, I have never been checked by the custom anywhere except South Africa. You know, I am just studying people, (?) how much prejudice is there, how much love is there, how much affection is there, how much openness is there. You know, I'll make up my opinion, after all, we are allover in western hemisphere and we are lot of people.

Interviewer: Yeah, and what have your impressions been of South Africa?

YB: No, we have to study. We have to study, we are not going to form any opinion until we go through it.

Interviewer: Yeah, and then, (?) going back to the (?) world religion (?) all the religions coming together. I am asking you are they coming together, we know some religions that (?).

YB: No, no, today you got the explanation, it is not putting one religion, all religions in their own side work, but can they spare some time or something to help? That's all it is. By common cause can we all join, all tributaries join to make a temporary river, can we do that? Now here there are two things, women are being raped and AIDS is unbelievably... there are two items. Our idea is that if all the black community in America can be stimulated to help, their money can help them a lost. As far as rape is concerned, we can train their camps that young men can be further trained, this trend can stop. You know what I am saying to you, it is same thing I did in America. All young people are hippies and yuppies and like this. What is happening today in Africa that was happening in America. It all stopped, that's how we worked. And we have a very consolidated record of success.

Interviewer: Okay, (?) says about in America (?).

YB: I told them that there is a natural high, so they don't have to use drugs and come with me, and we experience it. The majority of the people experienced it. And they left the drugs. The word of mouth, it all spread out, so one thing led to the other and today we are spiritual sovereign Khalsa Nation.

Interviewer: Natural high through the meditationMeditation Dhyan. It is a process of deep concentration or merger into an object or a state of consciousness. Meditation releases reactions and unconscious habits and build the spontaneous and intuitive link to awareness itself. ?

YB: Yeah, in your body you have to develop two things, which are (?) front lobe, which controls your personality, hypothalamus, which controls your habits, if these two are under your situation and the Pavan Pavan Guru Literally, the "breath of the guru." It is the transformative wisdom that is embedded in the patterns of breath, especially those patterns generated in the expression of naad in sound or mantra. GuruPavan Guru Literally, the "breath of the guru." It is the transformative wisdom that is embedded in the patterns of breath, especially those patterns generated in the expression of naad in sound or mantra. Guru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. , the breath of life, how you extend it, how you shorten it, all that, after that I don't think you have any problem. When you are normal handicap, you breathe one fourth of the breath instead of one full breath. It means your energy is one fourth; your oxygenated blood is one fourth. It means the supply to your organ is one fourth. (?) in your losing line and if you can be trained and your diaphragm can be set and adjusted and your (?) can meet the pressure and there will be no depression, everybody will be happy and successful. We believe in prosperity. We believe in forgiveness, we believe in compassion, kindness, bounty, beauty, blessings. But we are not saying it as a philosophy or words, we are saying it, we are doing it, join us you will do it, if you don't find the same experience, leave, go somewhere else. If you find, keep going.

Interviewer: I see. Do you have any prescriptions like reading guidelines to the Parliament of world religions '93 (?) whole of descriptions (?) don't steal; don't lie, so on (?).

YB: All these people do's and don'ts belong to those who can just propagate, it's called civilized society for civil living. People will never agree if they do not have strength in them to follow the civilized rules. What is the idea, sometime you like billboards and everybody is saying on the top of their lungs, 'we will remove poverty.' Poverty hasn't left. People should have determination, people should have strength, people should have projection. In America every youth was loitering around, high on drugs, they never did a thing, nobody could do anything, how come today they are presidents and vice-presidents? How come today they have families? What happened? That is to be investigated.

Interviewer: (?) world religions and sharing with a whole lot of other religions, what are you (?) aiming to achieve being and just to (?).

YB: I have just come to bless them. That's all. You know grandma comes to take care of the grandchildren. See what they are doing, how they are developing, what they are trying to do, where we can fit in, if we can't, we can't, if we can we can. Give them some suggestions; they don't listen, it's okay. You know what I mean? Because they feel how much conscious I am, how much humble I may try to help them but they feel I speak too loud.

Interviewer: So I just think that was the present, your presence being here (?) in South Africa (?) we can all gain from this, (?) you know something very different then he said (?) how (?) South Africans?

YB: Well, this is something very simple. You need money to do this. We can make an internet connection all over the world western hemisphere. Everybody will give. I mean, I don't understand Salvation Army can collect money, we can't. There are twenty percent black in United States. South Africa's whole budget can be collected. That's what it is. My thoughts are very practical. I do not know they suit somebody or not but it is a grit, you have to dig in and you have to work volunteer force. I always wanted to hear the world parliament should have its task force. Not management, this is all for this thing. Very good, God bless them, they are wonderful. But what we want is a task force. Okay, this year in America and Europe we have to collect five million dollars for AIDS. You think from all this world, five million dollars is too much? But volunteers have to go. They have to take a Stagg Bell and go on ring on every house. Collect the money by a milk route, bring it together and start working on South Africa.

Interviewer: Sir, you know why (?) religion has been, (?) being is more as something is (?) fund raising (?).

YB: No, no, no, no, religion is being to raise the spirit to face the consequences. Sequence is already set. No, no, religion has nothing... religion is a reality. Everybody has their own reality, own strength, own belief. We are not interfering with that. My idea is that now everybody is here. We are not changing everybody's religion or asking anybody to merge together. All we are asking what is the problem. They told me morning they have two problems. One is the rape, other is the drug problem. I am expert on drug problem, that's why I am authority on it. Now question is to do all that either people have joined me here or we have to get some help. So best thing was when Mr. Mandela went to America to collect funds, Jessie Jackson along with him, collected funds. Why not now we make a (?) deputation, go to Jessie Jackson, say 'Reverend, we are in trouble, we are your ancestors, come on, help us.' And we start then, it is something technical. This is not the answer because we cannot spend the money because of the price, those who have got, let them go. It's not compassionate, it's all right, but it's not compassionate. So I thought somewhere we start over the idea, see where it flies, how people sincerely can do it and how much can be achieved and not. Because ultimately you are going to be... What is my power I have no doubt, but my achievement is very powerful. So that's where they (?).

Interviewer: Now this will not (?) a yoga course (?).

YB: Yeah, I am going to teach how the next millennium electromagnetic field and micromagnetic field are going to interrelate and disconnect with each other, so how the mega cycle of the micro and the personal psyche can be corrected, with what kind of physical exercises people have to learn, so they may not go and hit the walls. That's our intention.

Interviewer: So what is that (?) is saying.

YB: They may not go and hit the walls with that emptiness and depression and being fearful. They should understand and build themself, ready to face the challenge of this millennium. It's not going to go away (?).

Interviewer: Yeah.

YB: It is on us.

Interviewer: Okay, thank you.

YB: See. We are too scientific because we have (?) thirty years. Nothing ever failed. Then why people should suffer? That's what our idea is. We are not asking anything, we are giving them. This town is blue (?).

Interviewer: (-----)

YB: I think (?) on ninth.

Student: (----)

Interviewer: First you said something (?).

YB: If I get a opportunity, we have (?) open, we have gone everywhere. Right from Barcelona to all the way to Norway, Oslo, we have centers.

Interviewer: Leaving (?) city (?).

YB: Yeah. We send them all (?). They are doing great work.

Are you (?) some cup of tea, or it is not your concern.

Student: (----)

Bibiji: It's not its way, tea is coming, it's on its way.

YB: Let's be straight. Normally people who come to interview never take anything, never eat anything, perhaps we are going to poison you (?).

Student: (----)

Student: Siddiqui, one of the position you (?) photograph with a nice background on that chair, would you mind.

YB: Okay, then we have to move in. Why you said darling, there is no (?) right?

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Interviewer: (----)

YB: No, no, I mean. I am personal friend with Dalai Lama, when he came first time in America we set it up for him and Tibet called, we have been doing all along and he knows it. We know each other and with other religious people who have come here, any status, we like to meet, entertain them, discuss with them. That will be the very positive thing for which we come. In other words what you are doing is we are checking here who is who.

Interviewer: So we will be kind of (?).

YB: Oh yes, oh yes, and moreover, the most important thing, which you must know, this is the first time Sikh religion is sending Bibiji Neel Kaur, the president of the SGPC. She is coming with five people and Jethadar Manjeet Singh is coming who is the head of the Kesgarh Sahib. I mean, it's unusual to happen. We have done what we have done and our main suggestion to them is that the third parliament religion should go to India and we can host it (?). So they don't have to hustle anymore.

Interviewer: You have a big foundation in India?

YB: I have foundation everywhere.

Interviewer: And in India is quite a big one.

YB: I am pretty well to do, I earn my own bread.

Interviewer: (?) earn your own bread.

YB: Yeah, pretty. I have fourteen corporations.

Interviewer: No, what is your (?).

YB: No, (?) my spread is very big, name a thing. We have a security company, we in America we secure all courts, and all main important airports, we have computer company, we are next to IBM, we have foods (?), peace cereals, (?), we have yogiYogi One who has attained a state of yoga (union) where polarities are mastered and transcended. One who practices the disciplines of yoga and has attained self-mastery. tea, we have so many items we manufacture and sell and we make money.

Interviewer: Did you start this as a religious person or businessperson?

YB: No, I just started it as a person. In our religion, you can collect money and depend on (?). You have to earn your own bread. (?). I can't live off money what is in my domain, that's not my money. I am just a custodian. So it cannot be used for (?).

Interviewer: (----)

YB: No, no, no, this I just personally gave because too much (?). It doesn't look (?), you know.

Interviewer: And they have (?).

YB: No, no, this time you, I, everybody should make it positive that they should have a task force. They should decide this year that next five years we have to have a task force, which will complete this, which will complete that, first task force is we go to every church and talk and tell people, 'there is a humongous problem in South Africa, we have been there, come on, give your money.' Maybe dollars, if that can become seven, whatever the currency is here and we should collect till we collect, which will go to Europe, which should go everywhere. The second thing, which I'll suggest to the government is, they should absolutely invest in inviting tourists. If you look at Spain, the entire economy of Spain is based on tourism.

I was talking to India something; was telling me, they said, "What we do?"

I said, "You export Bharteeya Sanskriti, the old technology, and all that there is from India and import tourists. You will be rich."

Now South Africa is not a bad country, small country, it's a big country. So it can be open tourism and in open tourism the ancient, from bushman onwards philosophy, see how many people will come. And one thing these are forgetting, now it is summer here. It's freezing cold in Canada, in Europe and everywhere.

Interviewer: In the Midwest.

YB: Midwest is just (?) they can't even breathe. Why cannot we get twenty-thirty million people from here if they just 'aao, aao, aao, come, come, come, come,' you know, we want you, you (?).

I have seen in western hemisphere, all you say is come on and they come. They are very straight people. When I give you a call, then president Nixon challenged me, 'it's not possible,' I say, 'I'll see (?) possible.' And (?) possible happened, Washington Post (?) the article first page and then I, all I said is, say come, plus I have a way of natural high, we shall take you (?) these drugs are drags, thousands and hundred thousand people joined and we proved it. And that's I think this AIDS business is the same way. Yes, somebody has to give a call. We have to get it together and get it going and get doing it.

The AIDS came from monkeys, syphilis came from sheep, gonorrhea came from goats, and AIDS came from green monkeys of Zaire. There is nothing you can do about it. The tendency of this is that they are trying to find to cover the immune system. That's true. But there are lot of things which you people can do that if any drug is costly enough that people cannot understand, we can absolutely help them. I think America should help, I think Europe should help. Who will not help? I don't understand. Why people... Don't go to government to government (?). No. Go to people, people place. Appeal to the people. And I don't think response will be poor, what do you think?

Student: I think you are right, I think there are everybody (?).

YB: See that's the problem. Everybody says "you are right," but when it comes to doing, they don't move. That's my frustration. I am right always because I know how it can work. People work. And little drop, little drop brings rain, rain makes a flood, flood tributary, tributary, river, river to ocean. You know, life is just starting. I have been counseling, I am a PhD in counseling and I counsel people and you know, every fight starts with one misunderstanding. And they say, "What is understanding?" I say, "Stand under." Simple work. There will be no trouble.

When I sit on the divorces, seventeen years, married life, four children, hundreds of millions of dollars worth of properties, and they are fighting like cats. And when I explore it and come to conclusion and I bring them the facts, you know they put their hand on the (?), why we have been fighting. Now they ask me, "Why we are fighting?" We are fighting because, you know, when you know, light goes, circuits goes off, you follow? So in our life, biorhythm goes off, when our biorhythm is off the same person looks like dead to you.

Interviewer: Short circuit you mean?

YB: Well, we are electromagnetic field six-watt battery, that's all it works, this heart pumps accordingly, brainwave does the same way and if the congeniality of the system is not harmonious, person will fail. That's where the main problem is. When you are child you are very excited, you work on this and that. Three years later if you do not give him values the same kid will give you hell. Things cannot be soft all the time. You have to chisel your life, you have chisel all the surroundings and set it up so what you produce, the sweat of your produce should be best in the world. That's what I (?) in life. I believe, 'okay, God you have sent me to America, I want to change America, I am going to change woman of America. They call her chic; I am going to make her a eagle.' And I am successful, God's grace.

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Student: (----)

YB: No, no, she is great, American woman, you know, we teach women training camp every year and that's the only formula where woman comes in. We really train her. Really train her and there is a lot of success. Just keep up.

Student: (----)

YB: Yeah, yeah, yeah get her this (?) vacate this?

Student: (----)

YB: No, no, I mean...

Student: (----)

YB: She has by her right, she is a big boss.

Student: She is a big boss. (?) we will sit on (?) she is the boss.

YB: Oh yeah.

Student: (----)

YB: But you know what is the difference between a boss? Do you know what is the difference between boss and the man? Man earns, boss spends.

Bibiji: That's the fun.

YB: Have you experienced that?

Student: (----)

YB: Otherwise you are (?) get beating. She is a good girl. She has helped me a lot.

Bibiji: Forty-seven years.

Student: How, forty-seven?

YB: Yeah.

Student: You've taken good care of him...